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Labour coming to power isn't what is going to cause an "Economic Castastrophe".
What is causing that is the UK leaving the EU, which by the way was a National wide REFERENDUM. Now, we have Theresa May's cowardice trying to repeal this action, even though the british public voted in majority for it to happen. It's like "We hate Trump, We hate Trump!" But yet half of America voted for him. Hmm....
The tax is high, true. But The Labour Party is only looking to increase this marginally on INDIVIDUALS earning over 80k per annum. https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/814161/Labour-Party-manifesto-2017-tax-Jeremy-Corbyn-raise-taxes-garden-tax-election
This is simply untrue.
If you think that people are going to jump ship on their country due to monetary gain, I genuinely believe you're mistaken.
Let's weigh up the pro's and con's.
1). Have to guarentee the job in a designated location abroad to start with.
2). Have to move there.
3). Have to get Citizenship there to be able to live and work within that country.
4). Have to sell your home in the UK, because as you said, the NHS workers are oh so struggling for money.
And many more reasons. Transportation of items. It's all a massive hassle. People simply don't do it. It's said in jest a lot, but it doesn't occur. Why move to a foreign country simply to start all over instead of climbing the ladder that you currently work in?
Yeah. I'm not going to call bullshit, but bullshit.
If you have relatives that're working in the NHS, there is honestly no reason why they would be opposed for the Labour Party to come to power.
You're believing hear-say from word of mouth instead of doing research for yourself. Read their manifesto for healthcare, it's nothing but positives the NHS is otherwise being neglected from. https://labour.org.uk/manifesto/healthcare-for-all/
Again, no they wouldn't.
By "Firm" I'm assuming you mean "Business".
Imagine if it's a pain in the fucking arse just to move country, imagine this:
All of that, along with a business.
With the added incentive that that business may fail abroad and the individual being in financial ruin. It's a rare occurrence when it does happen.
"As companies would operate in lowered taxed countries or trading blocs like the EU."
Ummm...? They already do lmfao. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4303030/The-major-firms-avoiding-corporation-tax.html https://www.ft.com/content/00de4f00-b754-11e7-8c12-5661783e5589 http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/microsoft-avoids-paying-100m-a-year-in-uk-corporation-tax-a7089931.html http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/google-facebook-amazon-ebay-apple-7251746
And, FYI, Corporation Tax is dealt similarly, not identically however, to Personal tax. It's mostly based on Profitable margin's per annum and whatnot. I don't own my business, but obviously Mcdonalds isn't getting the same tax as your kebab shop down the road.
No they don't go to "Nursing School".
They go to "University".
And Nursing can be a "Degree", which completely nullifies your argument of "Why would people go through all the effort of training to be a nurse when there is such wage-reward for the work, when there are options to get a degree and earn more?" https://www.healthcareers.nhs.uk/explore-roles/nursing/studying-nursing
True, they do start on a low wage. However, to be "Fully qualified", they only take a 2 year course.
You know, it's funny that you bring Nurses' pay into the question when fully qualified doctors, fresh from medical school have to have done a minimum of 5 years, however only start 1 payband higher. https://www.healthcareers.nhs.uk/explore-roles/doctors/why-study-medicine https://www.healthcareers.nhs.uk/explore-roles/doctors/pay-doctors
Also, Nurses, Midwifes and Paramedics have been promised a "Pay Award" from the Autumn Budget in 2017. You don't research yourself as we've already discovered, so you wouldn't know this. https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/projects/nhs-in-a-nutshell/nhs-budget
And, if you want to talk about pay, you can check this article that explains how pay is slowly increasing for NHS staff yearly. http://content.digital.nhs.uk/article/5057/NHS-pay-statistics-published.
"I know this from expert advice"
but doesn't provide a source. Hmm....
It's not only the "Lack of nursing" that's causing the healthcare to fail. The NHS is within the top 5 employers worldwide.
If you're going to bring in the lack of nursing and the pay-scale being the main issue because of this, wouldn't pumping loads of money into the NHS solve this?
And this isn't the sole reason why the NHS is dying.
A nurse is paid minimally due to the skills that they bring. For instance, a newly qualified nurse that took the 2 year diploma are unable to cannulate.
Cannulation is an important and crucial skill that allows IV entry to a patient.
But what about: Junior Doctors, Surgeons, Paramedics, Ambulance Technicians, Waiting times in the NHS, the NHS waiting list, Lack of hospitals, Walk-in centres, GP's, Sexual Health Clinics, Overworked and overtired staff, staff who're inept of certain necessary skills on a daily basis within a hospital, misdiagnosis or missing something completely, NHS consistently being sued, and many more.
There's a great strain on the NHS, a lack of Nurses isn't the sole reason.
As I said above, lack of staff are being worked on. There's been a 62.5% influx of students on my University course that're going to be joining the NHS. This is similar for universities nationwide.
£8,000 being the top end of the cost. When stating costs in regards to arguments, state the price bracket if it's influential to your point. Otherwise it makes you look manipulative.
A Gastric Band generally costs £4,000 to £8,000, rounded. This means that a gastic band could cost 50% of what you originally stated. Also, since you're sticking to this point of a gastric band, a 20 very hard, gruelling, mind boggling search of a mere 20 seconds found me out some interesting points.
Such as, there's criteria for a gastric band. This being:
- A BMI of >40 and a serious condition posing threat to health.
- The individual trying many / all other weight loss method
- Agreeing to follow up care and treatment after the surgery, such as healthy lifestyle choices and regular check-ups with the GP.
- They've been receiving or received treatment from a specialist obesity team. https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/weight-loss-surgery/who-can-have-it/
But let's think for a minute however. It's a lifestyle choice? Okay, we'll go along with that. If that's the case, why would be potentially bankrupt or withdraw treatment and healthcare to someone who potentially desperately needs it because of a financial problem? Without this surgery, these people have a much higher chance of dying from their disease. Withdrawing that from them or charging someone who is seeking treatment goes against what the NHS stands for. They need this treatment, and you're charging them for it. It's like withholding insulin from a diabetic or Ventolin from an asthmatic.
On about the cost:
The NHS had roughly £116.4B from 2015-2016. https://www.nhs.uk/NHSEngland/thenhs/about/Pages/overview.aspx http://www.nhsconfed.org/resources/key-statistics-on-the-nhs
£8,000 of this to someone who needs it isn't a big deal, or a problem because of "Taxpayers money".
True, they knew that it was bad for them, but you've kind of answered your own question here.
"You should have to pay"
"Why should the taxpayers fund your treatment".
Short answer: Because they, statistically, also pay tax. So in essence, they are paying for their own treatment. The entirety of your argument is completely nullified because of this. Let's assume a scenario. Good old Bill, who's an engineer who earns £73,563 a year and is super taxed has paid tax all of his life. Good old Bill has also smoked for the past 15 years. Well, he's paying tax. A portion of that goes towards the NHS so it's unfair to also charge him for a self-inflicted disease which requires treatment when he's essentially been paying for it. So, either treat him, or treat him and charge him, and now he doesn't have to pay tax because he's been faux'ed out of it. But if he's not paying tax, the next person wont want too. Now because of this, there's uproar and a massive decline in the amount the government is able to spend yearly via tax alone.
Oh, and also:
"This could also help discourage unhealthy lifestyles, furtherly putting less stress on the NHS, and also could help decrease tax rates."
No it wont help reduce tax rates. Not at all. That money would just be spent somewhere else where it's needed within the NHS.
People that don't pay tax should be charged.
Problem with that?
Majority of people who don't get taxed earn less £11,500 per annum. https://www.gov.uk/income-tax-rates
These individuals simply can't afford treatment for smoking, or £4,000-£8,000 for a Gastric Band.
This is why the NHS exists.
Summary of all of this.
You ignored a lot of my main points.
You don't do research for yourself or provide links.
You are generally close-minded.
You're lazy and I personally don't think you know genuinely how the NHS works and functions.
Anyhow, hope I've helped demonstrate why you're wrong.